Probably not the ideal place to ask but I am contemplating giving up on PICS because of the wretched development tools and AVR looks, superficially, attractive. I would be using their eight bit devices and programming in assembler. And would want development aids equivalent to MPLAB8 and ICD2. Could anyone give me any direct advice on getting started or direct me to the better of the overwhelming number of web resources? __________________________________________ David C Brown 43 Bings Road Whaley Bridge High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .