Which is entirely consistent with the fact that embedded systems, especially in domestic appliances, are becoming less reliable So in my view I would consider that programming an embedded computer is > moving away from true embedded programming towards application > programming. Perhaps the term being sought is "embedded application > programming" - I know this isn't one word but these are the lemons I > have :-) > > Regards > Sergio Masci > > > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Wouter van Ooijen > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone > >> > >> I waved PICs goodbye a long time ago, and switched mainly to ARM/Corte= x > >> and C++ for micro-controller programming. A side-effects of this is th= at > >> I'll be doing the closing keynote on the Meeting C++ conference in > >> Berlin, november this year, on the subject of (C++ and) embedded. My > >> picture is up on the website, so I can't deny it any more.. > >> > >> Which leads me to my problem: the term "embedded" is often used for th= e > >> time/space/energy/cost/xxx-sensitive work done on micro-controllers. > >> (Roughly what was thye focus of this group in its big days.) But this > >> "embbeed" term was a problem from the beginning (embedded systems can > >> and do contain large computer systems, with a very different way of > >> programming), and is getting even more so these days (ESP8266 are > >> programmed in Lua and Python, and how long will it be before a > >> single-chip system will run a common Linux distro?). > >> > >> Hence the term "embedded" is no longer sufficient to describe a > >> programming (and system design) style that is (very) sensitive to (cod= e > >> and data) space and timing. So do you have a better (preferrably > >> one-word) term to describe this domain? The best I have so far is > >> probably "severly resource constrained", but that is not 100% accurate > >> and too long by two words . "small micro-controller" is another > >> candidate, but it is still one word too long, and feels negative. > >> > >> A better term, anyone? > >> > >> -- > >> Wouter "Objects? No Thanks!" van Ooijen > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > >> View/change your membership options at > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > >> > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .