Hi everyone I waved PICs goodbye a long time ago, and switched mainly to ARM/Cortex=20 and C++ for micro-controller programming. A side-effects of this is that=20 I'll be doing the closing keynote on the Meeting C++ conference in=20 Berlin, november this year, on the subject of (C++ and) embedded. My=20 picture is up on the website, so I can't deny it any more.. Which leads me to my problem: the term "embedded" is often used for the=20 time/space/energy/cost/xxx-sensitive work done on micro-controllers.=20 (Roughly what was thye focus of this group in its big days.) But this=20 "embbeed" term was a problem from the beginning (embedded systems can=20 and do contain large computer systems, with a very different way of=20 programming), and is getting even more so these days (ESP8266 are=20 programmed in Lua and Python, and how long will it be before a=20 single-chip system will run a common Linux distro?). Hence the term "embedded" is no longer sufficient to describe a=20 programming (and system design) style that is (very) sensitive to (code=20 and data) space and timing. So do you have a better (preferrably=20 one-word) term to describe this domain? The best I have so far is=20 probably "severly resource constrained", but that is not 100% accurate=20 and too long by two words . "small micro-controller" is another=20 candidate, but it is still one word too long, and feels negative. A better term, anyone? --=20 Wouter "Objects? No Thanks!" van Ooijen --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .