>> flexible, as long as it's (a) DIP, (b) 12-20 pin > Did you miss the ATTINY Atmel (back then) group buy on Piclist? :-) Long gone. I=92m a bit disappointed that another $0.25 micro hasn=92t come= along to replace it :-( And it only had 8 pins=85 Newark regularly has some cheap microcontrollers in their =93overstock ware= house=94, but it=92s tough to be the normal price of the PIC16F54. One pos= sibility, at the moment ($0.445), is a relatively beefy MC90S08 chip: http://www.newark.com/nxp/mc9s08sh8mpj/microcontroller-mcu-8-bit-s08/dp/69M= 3851 BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .