Interest only: When RAM memory sticks were typically a more pocketable size it was not uncommon for people to use discarded ones as"key rings". A multiturn wire ring fits nicely through a hole at the end and keys are attached to it in the normal way. I did this a few times. I found that in an amazingly short while all the RAM ICs vanished. I don't recall finding them lying around or in my pockets - they just quietly (very) disappeared. Mayhaps they were loosed in-pocket and then fell off when suspended vertically when a car key was used. Obviously the expected stresses in in-PC use were lower than for pockets *Examples here * *DIY article here * How hard can it be? - but he does have some good points - eg remove the points. Query: To anyone who reads this far :-). Does anyone have trouble opening the links above after this email has wended its way to the list? Such links seem to work well enough in person to person emails but I'd like to be sure they remain viable in list use. Russell ______________________________ Gmail links: Copy link URL Highlight text to be used as "label" Ctrl-K Paste link (Ctrl-V) Enter --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .