I agree that using 100k-ohm external pull-ups is PROBABLY safer than using = 1M-ohm pull-ups, that too is more speculation than anything in that my own = tests have not been mass-produces and used in thousands of different cars. = Because no one has presented such hard evidence on why a given value of a = pull-up resistor is bad in a car's noisy environment, the discussion then t= urned to "well, why even use external pull-ups at all?" I think that new q= uestion is important, but I still am curious about the original question: = "HOW BIG IS TOO BIG when it comes to external pull-ups on modern PICs like = the 16F1508 when used in 12-volt automobiles?" You might be able to find some SAE guidelines on EMC that would tell you so= mething concrete. Car wiring tends to get conductive gunk on it and have leakages.=20 Ignition and motor noise, RF.. I once had a car whose rear wiper would kick off if I transmitted on the ha= m VHF band at more than 10 watts. Never did figure out why.=20 While the transmitter might not be in your car, you might be next to me in = traffic. Or a cop, ambulance, taxi, CB.... Can you do something other than dipswitches? That seems to be the root of = all evil here.=20 Maybe a second board with switches that you connect as needed through a SPI= interface or ? --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .