Languages tend to converge toward an average complexity for the age of the programmers who use them. There has to be some complexity and difficulty or anyone could do it, and then where would the money be? ;-) In my spare time at the moment, CForth on ESP8266. So small. Lots of RAM unused. Nice. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .