Living in the outback ...=20 Looking for a way to estimate liquid levels on the other side of 4mm plastic; a potentially flammable methane-air atmosphere, without necessarily cutting holes in the plastic. Composting toilet collection bin has a coarse filter 50mm from the void at the base, and a liquid drain. A DC fan pulls air through the bin contents, through the void, into a chimney. Composting works best when the void has less than 20mm of liquid. Sometimes the drain becomes blocked. Liquid levels increase slowly, blocking the airflow, until the gas generation of the bin contents exceeds the airflow, then the residents really notice. Pong. How to measure the liquid level? Float switches would become fouled. IR reflectance sensors would be great, but expensive, and if covered by muck wouldn't reset until the bin was serviced. Stainless steel bolts through the plastic might work, but there's a conductive path through condensate on the inside surface. "Can't you just point an instrument at the tank from the outside and have it tell you the liquid level?" ;-) Magic is wanted. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .