Oooh, that's when I got into PICs, and was fascinated by some of the=20 highly optimized math routines done in assembly. I was an assembly=20 fanatic since my TRS-80 days. It was great trying to decipher some of=20 the math routines on the piclist website and come up with some elegant=20 way to do other things, but I also learned that sometimes brute force is=20 the best way. I have since morphed my PIC dabbling to commercial usage, and have,=20 after much agonizing, been learning to go with faster development using=20 C, rather than getting academic about some tasks. It still bugs me to=20 waste horsepower, but getting additional horsepower for quicker=20 development that may be less optimized is certainly more viable as it=20 costs very little more. I do still have a couple projects that are=20 assembly based, especially the ones where timing is critical, but those=20 are low-volume and does not warrant porting to C. Those are 16F's with=20 MPLAB 8.xx and assembly. Most all else has been ported to C with 18F's=20 nowadays, and I've started using PIC32's with C in MPLABX. But yes, I miss assembly. Cheers, -Neil. On 8/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bob LeDoux wrote: > Back in days of yore there were people with names like Nixon, Datallo, My= ke creating elegant routines to perform difficult tasks with 8-bit PIC's in= assembler. > > I don't depend on system development for my income. So I still enjoy pro= jects for the challenge. For example, I developed a version of Conway's Ga= me of Life using a 64 x 128 graphic LCD powered by a 16F88--programmed in a= ssembler. > > I wonder, am I the only person left using a PicKit2, with MPLAB IDE 8.xx,= assembler programming 12F and 16F chips? My chips only have 2 or 3 numbe= rs following the "F"? > > Am I the only person who sometimes uses absolute code and prefers to Quic= kbuild my programs rather than build a project? > > Those were the characteristics that encouraged beginners to move to PIC's= after playing with the Parallax Basic Stamp. With linked files and project= s, those days are gone. Systems like the Arduino mean programmers are slow = to grasp processors at the machine level. > > By the way, I used this question as an excuse to post with a topic identi= fier [PIC]. I haven't seen many of those lately on the [PIC] list. > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .