> are there ways to move from the C code written in the Arduino > app to something that could be used (via a programmer) without the > bootloader chip? Typically Arduino programs are NOT at all dependent on the bootloader. Esp= ecially Teensy, where the =93bootloader chip=94 essentially uses JTAG to pu= t a temporary bootloader in RAM that then runs and downloads the actual cod= e (as clever as can be, IMO!) So all you have to do is burn the hex file a= t the appropriate location. Some Arduino ARM bootloaders run at the start = of the FLASH memory space, and the normal arduino environment compiles with= a linker map that puts the app at a known location past the bootloader. I= n that case, you=92d want to use a different linker map (or program a very = simplistic bootloader.) BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .