> (1) My 1st thought is that a stepper motor - direct or geared, may > serve you better. For my own clocks I do prefer steppers. As you say, they can go backwards, and also can be run on DC when there's a mains outage. A micro can keep track of the date and automatically adjust for daylight saving They do require a gearbox though. I've not actually approached them about that possibility. I'm having some new cogs 3D printed, maybe they'll go for it when I show them something assembled and running Funnily, how I make my clocks has never come up in conversation as an upgrade possibility. A DC system would be price-competitive as the mains units are quite expensive to land here They do tend to hang on to and search out older mechanisms for restorations etc so JDHR should not hold his breath "Why have any clocks at all when everyone has a smartphone and can tell at once the public time is always wrong?" As my drivers for the Gents mechanisms are mains-synchronised they are generally correct and there's battery/crystal back-up for outages. Boards from the 60s and 70s I'd been given to emulate/ strip were simply crystal-based and did drift a fair bit, even though some effort had been put into stabilising the frequency. It's easy to see why micros became popular when many many digital ICs can be replaced by one. Bank 'flip' clocks have mains cycle detection, driving a handful of TTL / CMOS logic and they keep good time. Popular because they included the date http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grayson-White-Digital-Easy-to-Read-Calendar-Wall-Cl= ock-Bank-Shop-BNIB-G225-/261904154311 To some extent I agree about public clocks, but many are fixtures and it doesn't take much to keep them going I don't have a mobile of any kind or wear a watch. Gasp Joe=20 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7539 / Virus Database: 4563/12102 - Release Date: 04/25/16 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .