> So you haven't accepted a copy of Watchtower then ??? ;)))) Trying to keep this as secular as possible ........... Well, yes actually. My late stepfather indulged them so they come back every few weeks. Now he's gone, I do try to have a debate with them. Unfortunately their organisation frowns on - to put it mildly - independent thought and ideas so my views on how it cherrypicks from science (which is evident from reading the WT and other JW literature) to support its own interpretations and disprove others' interpretations generally fall on unresponsive ears As much as they believe, I don't Which is the case for many groups - economists, socialists, educators, polititians etc etc. There are as many opinions about how things should be done as there are people. I do believe though that good scientists are willing to accept new theories, ideas, can assess evidence and have open minds. But minds not so open that their brains fall out The problem with what I started the thread about is that the product's claims don't even reach the standards of circumstantial evidence. No journal papers, no peer reviews, no (credible, with current or even proposed science) explanations, no blind testing, no exhaustive lab work ... Subjectiveness just doesn't cut it They may well be on to something, but the back-up is too often so piss poor, and a tiny grain of what might be truth is inflated beyond common sense and credulity Amen Joe ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11477 - Release Date: 01/24/16 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .