>> Maybe they have realised MPLAB-X is a hopeless case, and part of=20 >> this is getting the Atmel tools for use on PIC chips ;))))) At the expense of making them windows-only? No, thank you! BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .