Hello all, Well I finally got to where I want to be with a delay routine=20 without using a timer. When I put 10 in for seconds delay I get 10=20 seconds of delay. I am using the delay.h header file that is in the XC8=20 compiler. Now I will work on the uS and mS functions. I really=20 appreciate all of the help that I received. I also got my PICKit2 sorted=20 out. I needed to supply an external power source for it. Just because I=20 may not agree with what is put forward it doesn't mean that I don't listen. Thanks, rich! --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .