I pondered on the possibility of a wheel arch lower end (say) being punched in in an accident and digging into the tyre, being carried forward against wing bending force until it popped out, spring back and repeat, pawl and ratchet style. But that would leave a rather obvious cause remaining. Getting desperate but posit something picked up on wheel, carried into wheel well, does its dirty deeds and drops off. (Something like an ice bullet :-).) ________________________ Somewhere about 10 years ago maybe (how time flies). Travelling into town on motorway. 100 kph Mk1 MR2 - lowish. Summat on roadway pops out from under car in front of me - time to line up square to straddle it and certainly not time to change lanes. About 1.5m+ long, curved, thin ... bang - wallop ... gone ... left lying in lane behind me. I do not leave such things for the next guys. Pull over , walk back, foray forth and retrieve. Commercial water blaster lance / tube / nozzle. Rubber handle one end, long curved tube. Once worth hundreds of $. Now not worth scrap. Find a suitable overgrown area beyond the barriers as I walk back to car and throw it there out of harms way. Drive to town to favourite electronics junk/new/other shop. Surplus components and new and sound gear and ... Easy to spend a happy hour+ there= .. Return to MR2 after happy hour +. Telltale long run of liquid from under car. Look ma no oil. WB lance has holed sump as it went on through. Do whatever it takes to get sump sealed and re-oiled & drive home. Next day return to scene of crime and retrieve WB lance. Maybe it will tell me who owned it. No such luck - it's mute under pressure. Somewhere in the 'carport' .... . It and much more should vanish before summer. __________________________ Then there was the kitchen sink. Plus bench attached. Really. Crunch ... gone (the sink has been hammered flat by the guys who hit it before me, and left it there for others. As I walk back for it I see a police car going the other way in frantic mode. Retrieve bench. Walking along roadside looking for somewhere to safely cast it in bushes beyond barrier. Cops arrive. "Is that yours?" 'If it was, do you think I'd be here holding it by the time you got here? :-)' They seem to think that's an OK answer ... . ______________ Then there was the still complete and unscathed cane sofa .... ! :-). R --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .