I have Wizflow, don't like it much, but it works and was cheap. ok, just googled for a link - they seem to have changed something. Last time I bought a copy it was about $30, now it's $150. I wouldn't recommend it at that price. If you already have an office suite (microsoft or open office or something else) most of them have some basic symbols in their drawing tool... -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .