Take 113355 (Remembered easily - 11 33 55 ) Then 355/113 ~=3D Pi (355/113) / Pi <=3D 1.0000001 Comes in useful over a lifetime. Alternatively - just remember 3.14159265358979 More than more than good enough for 'engineering' :-) _______________________ Watts ~=3D Torque in kg.m x RPM Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .