There are also heat-shrink butt splice connectors with a bit of low-temp solder inside - After crimping, shrinking the connector not only seals but also solders the joint. Tensile strength of the connection exceeds that of the (14 gauge) wires, claimed the demo I saw... --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .