I found some CREE LED product at Mouser. C503B-AAN-CY0B0251 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cree-Inc/C503B-AAN-CY0B0251/?qs=3D%2fha= 2pyFaduikwXp24CmdxMq1GICdnzBgcXgvOzTm4AXFnV0CcevnzJNQ6PWF7qwK This is a through hole Amber LED rated at 13000 mcd at 20 ma. ( there seem= s to be some variance in output specifications depending on where I look in= the data sheets ) I have not been able to find an equivalent part that is SMT. Am I missing = something ? Is there reason why SMT LED devices would be a whole different= world ? I am using this LED in signage ( hand-held ) that will be read in the range= of 5-20 meters. The sign will be pointed at cars and pedestrians. Would = a viewing angle of 15 degrees that yields a diameter of visibility of ( 20 = * .26 ) 5.2 meters at 20 meters work out well ? Or would 30 degrees ( 20 * = ..0.5 =3D 10 meters ) be a better choice ? Gus in Denver --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .