I was recently given a maths question as part of test. The question. You have a round coil core 10mm thick and 50 mm long. You wrap a copper wire exactly 5 times around. How long is the wire? (don t consider the thickness of the wire) __________________ The "trick" is in the interpretation of the question, which is not as clear as it should be. The "clue" to their mindset is that they gave you the cylinder width which is irrelevant unless you need it for some reason. While people may indeed give you redundant data, Occam opines that they here intend you to use it. So - when they say "exactly times around", which may or may not have been their wording, they mean that the wire starts at a point on the say left of the cylinder and ends at a point on the right of the cylinder 50mm along the cylinder from the start. ie it extends evenly from side to side of the spool even though it (almost certainly) does not tightly pack on the spool. They do not need the multiple triangle gymnastics, I wot. Lets see. Distance rotationally =3D L =3D 2 x Pi x r x 5 =3D 50 Pi =3D 157 as you hav= e calculated Distance sideways =3D W =3D 50mm Length is sqrt (l^2 + W^2) =3D 164.7 =3D 165mm ie same result as theirs with only one triangle visualised. Wire is not close packed as long as wire diameter is under 10mm (in which case the wire thickness would make a major difference in real life. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .