I programmed on a late PDP-11, and then VAX-11 came along. It was wonderful by comparison. I really got to know the instruction set, while writing my own Forth for it. Did end up with PDP-11 later in industrial systems. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .