> > Then in desperation I called MPJA to see if they could help me. Their > TECH support person told me you cannot solder to them > with out VERY specialized tools It would be very interesting to know what the very specialised tools did that made it work and what the barriers are to doing it by "other means". Often but not always the application of knowledge and brain power can allow slow low volume processing of something that usually involves special stuff. And sometimes not :-) Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .