Is the rated holding current printed anywhere on the breaker? As previously quoted by Allen, "A CB is designed and evaluated to carry 100% of its rated current for an indefinite period of time under standard test conditions." So what is the technical difference between a rated holding current and a rated trip current? On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:45:04PM -0600, Richard R. Pope wrote: > James, > Two things are important for installers. The amp rating that is=20 > printed on the handle.. Then there will be a label on the side and the=20 > installer needs to make sure that it is UL certified. Whatever is on the= =20 > handle is the rated trip current. No other information is required by=20 > the installer. > Thanks, > rich! >=20 > On 2/16/2015 6:37 PM, James Cameron wrote: > > I'm not surprised, but as I'm not in the US, it's only of academic > > interest. As I said, I'm more interested in the physics and the > > specification of the parts. > > > > Is the label required to be different to that specification? If so, > > that's a can of worms. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:20:51PM -0600, Richard R. Pope wrote: > >> James, > >> In the US the NEC is a legal requirement. Local codes must be at > >> least as restrictive as the NEC. Also if the wiring is not done to cod= e > >> and the fire is caused by the poor wiring the insurance does not have = to > >> pay. If someone is hurt or killed than the person who did the wiring i= s > >> now open to criminal and civil charges. > >> I always consider the code as a starting point. As I said before= I > >> wire all of the 15 amp 14 gauge circuits to 20 amp 12 gauge specs. I > >> also put in any where from 20 to 100% more circuits depending on the > >> life style of the home owner. In Wisconsin 100 amp panels are required= .. > >> I always install 200 amp or larger panels. > >> Thanks, > >> rich! > >> > >> On 2/16/2015 6:08 PM, James Cameron wrote: > >>> Agreed. > >>> > >>> I've always considered the critical specification of a circuit breake= r > >>> to be the highest current it can hold and not trip, assuming standard > >>> test conditions ... such as voltage, temperature, humidity, magnetic > >>> fields, vibration, gravity, orientation, mounting, atmosphere content= , > >>> and atmosphere pressure. > >>> > >>> What some provincial code then says about it, and how it requires any > >>> relabelling or use, is less interesting than the physics. But if the > >>> label is required to be different to that specification, that's > >>> something to watch out for. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:40:20PM -0500, Allen Mulvey wrote: > >>>> See: > >>>> http://ecmweb.com/basics/sizing-circuit-breaker > >>>> > >>>> "A CB is designed and evaluated to carry 100% of its rated > >>>> current for an indefinite period of time under standard test > >>>> conditions." > >>>> > >>>> The important part is "under standard test conditions." In > >>>> the real world the circuit breaker is likely to heat up > >>>> above "standard" test temperature. The 1996 NEC code > >>>> compensates for this by requiring you to use breakers rated > >>>> at least 20% higher than the anticipated load. > >>>> > >>>> Allen > >>>> >=20 > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .