> Does that reader use the higher transfer rate? Might be time to > look at the conversation between the reader and the card. On the scope it appears to be around 19MHz per data pin at 3.4V I went out this evening for a look at what's available. No 4GB in sight and a Transcend 8GB was on sale so I bought one. Worked first time to my great relief so I'll get some more Maybe it's just a peculiarity with 4GB. Spent too many fruitless days on it already (and on the initial project to no avail, which is why I ended up using the Strontium 8GB in the first place), will have to put them on the backburner and get on with the project using 8GB. No doubt the 8GB will be gone soon as well The 4GB work OK in other devices so they'll get used At some point I'd like to back-engineer the 4-bit protocol, in as simple a form as I expect to need it At some point Joe ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9097 - Release Date: 02/11/15 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .