I believe this would fall under the category of standing waves, which are a= ffected by all kinds of things, up to and including the way the operator ho= lds its mouth during the "sound off". A single well placed self-tapping sc= rew is nearly as fast and allows later disassembly. Unless of course you r= eally need a hermetic seal for waterproofing, etc. In that case, a weighte= d object near the sensitive component(s) to dampen the vibrations may help.= As others have mentioned, post assembly testing would be key here. Cheers, Robert=20 Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:31 AM, RussellMc wrote: >>>> ... MEMES devices are usually destroyed by ultrasonic cleaning >=20 >>> Does the same apply to assemblies ultrasonically welded into a box I >>> wonder? If so, this post could have saved us a bit of future strife - >=20 >> .... if open ultrasonic cleaning essentially always destroyed a given ME= MS >> device it would almost certainly be possible to produce a housing such >> that, by design, ultrasonic sealing of the housing almost always destroy= ed >> the MEMs device. If you can do it by design then Murphy can too. Equally= , >> it would be possible to produce a housing by design where destruction >> almost never occurred. Murphy will work on "optimising" almost-never. >=20 >> On 18 December 2014 at 22:58, Richard Prosser wrot= e: >>=20 >> Yes, I was thinking it is a consideration, and worth checking up on. I'm >> not even 100% sure the product is going to have MEMs in it, but it's qui= te >> likely and I know ultrasonic welding is being considered. It might be as >> simple as providing some damping to the pcb. We do carry out significant >> vibration & drop testing, but this is a bit different. >> Obv >> io >> usly, ultrasonic cleaning will apply vibration pretty well directly to >> the components, but welding could excite resonances not otherwise expose= d. >=20 > Here is some confirmation that it MIGHT be an issue. > This is from a technically very experienced friend who I copied my prior > comment to offlist. >=20 > A crystal and a MEMS device are obviously different but also have some > similarities. >=20 > It sounds like doing some tests on a sample board with a suitable sensor > during welding may be a very worthwhile thing to do. >=20 > Ken said: >=20 > One of our customers has been using ultrasonic welding for many years to > seal a PCB assembly in a plastic housing. >=20 > The PCB has among other things on it a 32.768kHz crystal. Such crystals > from many manufacturers do not like this treatment and many die during > welding leaving some that are walking wounded. Some products from some > manufacturers seem to survive much better than others. >=20 > Moving the crystal on the PCB suggests that the problem is worse in some > positions compared with others - though how you would determine a > "good" position other than by trial and error I don't know. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Life is so rich and full :-) > Yet another can of (vibrating) worms. >=20 >=20 > Russell >=20 > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .