Alternately, some years ago I was asking for a preferably-standalone=20 production programmer and Olin's came up as a very good choice=20 functionally. However, with the interactions I've seen with Olin on=20 this list, I got concerned that if one of my guys (not PIC developers)=20 had to call for some quick support some day and I was not around, would=20 they get bashed by Olin for asking some "noob" question? Not sure how I=20 would've got them on the "one of the good guys" list ;) Cheers, -Neil. On 12/11/2014 3:12 PM, IVP wrote: > I agree. I've had good dealings with him on and off list, and was=20 > quite pleasantly surprised when he said I was "one of the good guys"=20 > The last time we spoke was when I tried to upgrade the s/w of one of=20 > his programmers and it all went pear-shaped. Not through any=20 > particular incompetence on my or Olin's part, just that the system=20 > drove me into a corner I couldn't get out of. Without any hesitation=20 > at all, and without me asking, Olin sent me a replacement programmer=20 > free of charge Some people you just have to build up a little=20 > creditability with to get past their crusty exterior Joe ----- No=20 > virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version:=20 > 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8717 - Release Date: 12/11/14=20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .