I don't have time for this. I reluctantly feel the need to put on whatever admin hat I can find lying around and lumber into the fray. Hat: Ok. this one in the corner will do, Admin forged steel, visor, nodding crest, emblazoned with 3 lions rampant (aka Clan McMahon). Alleged-Vitaliy - I suggest that you stop attacking alleged-Bob pointlessly in the manner you have done three times in quick succession (that I noticed). [Attacking pointfully is also not recommended.] Without having sat down and analysed your missives I feel that it's clearly inappropriate for you to launch a multiple public attack on a list admin in this manner. This is not a matter on my part of admin solidarity or sticking up for "your own" no matter what they have done - in this case there is nothing new (that I'm aware of) and no actions that justify trying so hard to generate unrest and discord. I MAY have missed something recently of relevance but it would need a black body temperature of at least 20k to generate anywhere near the heat that you are trying to introduce. I don't know what you are trying to achieve - maybe you decided to leave the list in 2015 and decided being thrown out was a spectacular way to achieve this? I'd honestly suspect someone less rational than I know you to be to be drunk or similar to wade in in this way. Alas - whoever it is that has taken over Bob's persona seems far more measured than you seem to expect them to have been. Were you serious in accusing alleged-Bob of trolling in his reply? That's what's known as a "soft answer" and it's meant to turn away wrath - not to encourage you to up the ante. If you have seriously useful or usefully serious anti-Bob things to say then the list admins email door is always open **AND** I am very happy to talk with you offlist as a friend on any subject. May I suggest you take this offlist, whatever it is. Closes visor. Couches lance, wonders where spurs have gone. OK Rocinante, let's go .... alleged-Russell _______________________ Purposefully ALMOST untrimmed: On 11 December 2014 at 17:40, Vitaliy M wrote: > So, the admin admits to being a troll. That's great. > > FWIW, the reason I withdrew over the years, had much to do with the doubl= e > standard (inconsistent application of arbitrary rules) and the tyrannical > tendencies of one of the admins (you can guess which one). > > To have a thriving community, in both the virtual and the real realms, > requires a high degree of tolerance of different viewpoints (by the PTB), > transparency (of PTB's actions), and consistently applied rules. > > Sent from my phone > > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:34, Bob Blick wrote: > > > > I guess the "kick me" sign I put on worked :) > > > > Bob > > > > Sent from my sliver of the hobby-sphere > > > >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Vitaliy M wrote: > >> We've been using PICs since the founding of our company in 2002, and > >> continue developing new designs using the new parts Microchip has been > >> adding to their lineup. "Crappy" is not a word I would use to describe > >> them. > >> > >> "The world has moved on". Have you bothered to look at Microchip's > >> financials and market share trends, lately? Or do you form your opinio= n > >> solely on what you see in your sliver of the hobby-sphere? > >> > >> http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=3DMCHP:= NSQ > >> > >> > http://www.microchip.com/investor/Pressrelease/MCHP%20Investor%20Presenta= tion.060313.pdf > >> > >> Microchip came out of the recession stronger than other companies, and > it > >> was no accident. Steve Sanghi had a plan for dealing with the crisis (= he > >> started his career at Microchip, dealing with a major crisis, and wrot= e > a > >> book on it), before it happened, and unlike the rest of the industry, > >> they avoided layoffs. Read about it, in this excellent EEWeb interview= : > >> > >> http://issuu.com/eeweb/docs/pulse_volume_96 > >> > >> It is odd to hear so much PIC-bashing unsupported by facts, from a guy > >> who fought tooth and nail to become a "PIC"List admin. May I suggest y= ou > >> consider stepping down, and leave the reigns in the hands of those who > >> are more enthusiastic about the technology? > >> > >> Sent from my phone > >> > >>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 08:34, Bob Blick wrote: > >>> > >>> If one must have a reason, the one I see is that PICs are crappy > >>> microprocessors and Microchip has no idea how to put together a > coherent > >>> line of parts. > >>> > >>> Just comparing forums, the Piclist, 43oh, and avrfreaks, it's easy to > >>> see that Atmel makes the most popular micros of the three. Microchip > may > >>> sell a lot of parts but they are (relatively) no fun to use. > >>> > >>> I don't design with PICs anymore. The world has moved on. And > >>> Microchip's new offerings aren't as good as those from other vendors. > >>> > >>> Bob > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 02:46 AM, RussellMc wrote: > >>>> " ... Russell is actually more responsible than any other single > person > >>>> for > >>>> the decline of the PIClist. Look at the volume over time, particular= ly > >>>> noting when Russell became a admin. ... Olin Lathrop". > >>>> Elsewhere. > >>>> > >>>> So. > >>>> Now you know. > >>>> Apparently. > >>>> > >>>> R > > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .