If you don't mind, i'd like to share a piece of my mind on this subject.. I've joined the mailing list 6 or 7 years ago. I still was in high school a= t the time (yep, i'm 23) and i had two amazing professors which taught me P= ICs and assembly. Only the basics, of course, but with them the logic behin= d assembly, how the code works and what it actually do to the processor (lo= gic flow diagrams, signal diagrams and so on) of the whole class i've always felt i was the only one who really understoo= d it, infact i believe i'm the only one who still programs microcontrollers= , while instead some of the others maybe tamper with *mumble*arduino. (Seriously, i hate that ****. I hate its community. You buy this damn board= , copy a tutorial word for word and call yourself a programmer. But when yo= u have a problem you can't do anything because you don't know anything and = you don't want to or you wouldn't ask to be spoonfed with another tutorial = all the time.) (Sorry for the rant) Anyway my professors told me about this mailing list when i asked them wher= e i could find more info because i wanted to learn more. At the time forums= were what they were, a mess of circlejerking know-it-alls, microchip forum= (if it already existed) was unusable, full of bugs and had little to no co= ntent, only a lot of "PLS HELP ME" threads, mikroe forum was the same. The = only place full of real knowledge and real people was this mailing list. So= , as stated by the old internet rules, i started lurking. The topics were a= mazing. I learned so much in this years only by reading the mailing list. I= also tried to post a few times but i never felt like i was part of this co= mmunity... Mainly because i'm still an amateur (because i still don't have = a job that requires me to work with micros, it's all about my projects) but= also because the mailing list is simply not my type of "social network". For quite some time i was afraid to ask if anybody knew some other good dis= cussion groups... preferrably facebook ones. Why you might ask, because tha= t's the medium i find myself more comfortable with. I'm a very active part = of a couple of synthesizer groups (about playing, discussing and building, = of course) and i don't know.. i see that that kind of medium fits myself be= tter than anything else. Today's forum are the same. I've never been able t= o fit in here enough that comment because i see you as the giants behind a = screen with tons of knowledge and i don't feel like being at your level (ye= t). Facebook for some reason makes everything more at a human level. In sai= d groups there are some quite famous musicians and we all talk like we are = pals, share photos and music and we have a kind of interaction that i can't= even think i could do in a mailing list. This might be a reason why few people post. Also there's the fact that, as = it was already stated, now if you google something you are more likely to f= ind answers in more "social" or user-friendly networks and let's just say t= hat, regarding PICs, the microchip forum has a good amount of content and i= t pretty active these days In the end, regardless of other causes (young folks going to AVR or directl= y to ARM with all their pros or cons), to me the main causea of the stagnat= ion are the increased availability of info on the web and the use of differ= ent types of medias, more appealing to others =20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .