So, the admin admits to being a troll. That's great. FWIW, the reason I withdrew over the years, had much to do with the double = standard (inconsistent application of arbitrary rules) and the tyrannical t= endencies of one of the admins (you can guess which one). To have a thriving community, in both the virtual and the real realms, requ= ires a high degree of tolerance of different viewpoints (by the PTB), trans= parency (of PTB's actions), and consistently applied rules. Sent from my phone > On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:34, Bob Blick wrote: >=20 > I guess the "kick me" sign I put on worked :) >=20 > Bob >=20 > Sent from my sliver of the hobby-sphere >=20 >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Vitaliy M wrote: >> We've been using PICs since the founding of our company in 2002, and >> continue developing new designs using the new parts Microchip has been >> adding to their lineup. "Crappy" is not a word I would use to describe >> them. >>=20 >> "The world has moved on". Have you bothered to look at Microchip's >> financials and market share trends, lately? Or do you form your opinion >> solely on what you see in your sliver of the hobby-sphere? >>=20 >> http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=3DMCHP:NS= Q >>=20 >> http://www.microchip.com/investor/Pressrelease/MCHP%20Investor%20Present= ation.060313.pdf >>=20 >> Microchip came out of the recession stronger than other companies, and i= t >> was no accident. Steve Sanghi had a plan for dealing with the crisis (he >> started his career at Microchip, dealing with a major crisis, and wrote = a >> book on it), before it happened, and unlike the rest of the industry, >> they avoided layoffs. Read about it, in this excellent EEWeb interview: >>=20 >> http://issuu.com/eeweb/docs/pulse_volume_96 >>=20 >> It is odd to hear so much PIC-bashing unsupported by facts, from a guy >> who fought tooth and nail to become a "PIC"List admin. May I suggest you >> consider stepping down, and leave the reigns in the hands of those who >> are more enthusiastic about the technology? >>=20 >> Sent from my phone >>=20 >>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 08:34, Bob Blick wrote: >>>=20 >>> If one must have a reason, the one I see is that PICs are crappy >>> microprocessors and Microchip has no idea how to put together a coheren= t >>> line of parts. >>>=20 >>> Just comparing forums, the Piclist, 43oh, and avrfreaks, it's easy to >>> see that Atmel makes the most popular micros of the three. Microchip ma= y >>> sell a lot of parts but they are (relatively) no fun to use. >>>=20 >>> I don't design with PICs anymore. The world has moved on. And >>> Microchip's new offerings aren't as good as those from other vendors. >>>=20 >>> Bob >>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 02:46 AM, RussellMc wrote: >>>> " ... Russell is actually more responsible than any other single perso= n >>>> for >>>> the decline of the PIClist. Look at the volume over time, particularly >>>> noting when Russell became a admin. ... Olin Lathrop".=20 >>>> Elsewhere. >>>>=20 >>>> So. >>>> Now you know. >>>> Apparently. >>>>=20 >>>> R >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web >=20 > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .