Not quite. Or more. Has anyone here had encounters with or considered spinal surgery of any sort 'along the way'? Not something that most would get involved in lightly. My many years of frequently falling off motorcycles in times past, a couple of car versus motorcycle (& me) incidents, and a low height but decent fall from a ladder about 18 months ago (due to gross stupidity on my part)(folding ladders may fold when the joints are not correctly locked!) seem to have caught up with me and people are mumbling things about my C5 vertebra and other arcane stuff. There is much on the web thereon and presumably "user groups" one could ask questions in (and I've skimmed more material than is good for my constitution (even though that's not a cast amount)). But, the denizens of this list have always managed a good cross section of advice, information sources and disparate peripheral material on all sorts of subjects, and seem likely to be a good source in this case. I'm not after any particular specific information - just the normal random walk / scattergun / fancy that cross section that has proved useful in other areas. Responses on or offlist as seems appropriate. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .