Justin, That is correct. Even though we call them freeze plugs they were=20 never designed to protect the engine and usually they don't. Most of the=20 time if the coolant freezes it will break the radiator if you are=20 fortunate. If not it deforms or even cracks the cylinder walls. We have a lot of bad information floating around in the states=20 about cars and motorcycles. Like calling them motorcycles. They are for=20 the most part engine cycles but that is kind of awkward to say. The=20 prime mover in most cars is an engine, not a motor but supposed=20 knowledgeable people still call them motors. True there are now cars=20 with motors in them either as a hybrid setup or even as the only driving=20 force. We even call it motor oil and yes it can be used to lubricate=20 motors but for the most part it is used in engines. And then there is the one about if you set a battery down on a=20 concrete floor it will ruin the battery. This is not true. It used to be=20 when the batteries were made with wood cases. Or if you leave the thermostat out the engine will run hot because=20 the coolant is going too fast to pick up the heat. This violates one of=20 the laws of thermodynamics and I don't remember which one. The reason it=20 runs hot is because most cooling systems have a bypass hole so that=20 coolant will circulate through the engine when the thermostat is closed.=20 If the thermostat isn't there hot coolant is being directed right back=20 into the engine without going through the radiator. On some engines the=20 hole was only about a quarter of an inch in diameter. In some engines=20 the hole could be close to two inches. That is a lot of coolant that=20 never makes it to the radiator. Then there is the worst one of all. A person has a small leak=20 somewhere and they believe that as long as they keep the cooling system=20 full everything will be OK! NOT so. This will cause bubbles of air to=20 form in different parts of the engine and in passages in the cooling=20 system. These air pockets act as insulation and they will cause local=20 over heating. These hot spots will not show up on the temperature gauge=20 but the damage is being done. Also the pockets of air can interfere with=20 the circulation of the coolant and this will cause general overheating.=20 Also with a sealed system the pressurization of the system can't take=20 place which raises the boiling of point of the coolant. The final damage=20 is the pockets of air cause cavitation and allow oxygen in to the system=20 which causes corrosion. So there is a lot of bad info out there. But it is fun to listen to=20 and then just stand there and shake your head at. :) Thanks, rich! P.S. I just learned something new. There is a strong drive on to try and=20 switch over to a hydrogen based system. Well hydrogen is the smallest of=20 all molecules and it is almost impossible to build a container that=20 doesn't leak. It is also the lightest and least dense of all molecules.=20 So as you increase the pressure to try and put more and more hydrogen in=20 to a container which directly affects range the storage problem becomes=20 even more difficult. So here is a scenario to think about. Whoever fills their tank up=20 and parks at the airport in a semi-enclosed parking structure The=20 vehicle is sitting there with the hydrogen slowly leaking out of the=20 tank. The best case scenario is this person gets backs after a couple of=20 weeks and the tank is empty. The worst scenario is that someone is=20 walking by the car and pulls out a match to light a cigarette. The=20 parking garage ends up in the adjoining counties. Just something to=20 thing about. Thanks, rich! On 11/22/2014 2:51 AM, Justin Richards wrote: > Thanks rich, > > I can imagine from your explaination that there's many stories of people > driving of without unplugging first. > > And wrt the plugs I take it from the description it is what I know as a > welch or core plug that are used to plug the holes that the moulding sand > is poured out of. > > Cheers Justin > >> There is another type that is inserted in to the engine block in >> place of what we Americans call a freeze plug. I believe you folks call >> it a soft plug. Again you plug it in at night and it will keep the >> coolant at about freezing in 30 or 40 degree f below zero temperatures. >> --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .