Robert, I was managing a small shop in LV. The guys there had never had any=20 kind of formal training and they also had a large lack of common sense.=20 This makes for a very bad combination when you are working on cars. In=20 fact it was so bad that the owner had ordered everyone to use water on=20 first start up instead of coolant. The failure rate was running 70% or more= .. One of the guys had been working on a diesel. I had been there=20 about a week. When he started this diesel up it had a lot of problems=20 and it was burning so much oil that it wouldn't shut down. He grabbed=20 his coat to stuff into the intake. It yanked the coat right out of his=20 hands and down it went. In less than five seconds it was pulled into=20 several cylinders. It bent a bunch of valves and several rods. It shut=20 the engine down but what a mess. About two weeks later he was working on another diesel. When he=20 filled it, water started running out from between the cylinder head and=20 the block on the left side of the engine. I looked and I could see that=20 the head gasket was in upside down. It was late and the boss had=20 promised the customer that they could pick up the car before noon of the=20 following day. I told that guy that he would have to stay late and get=20 it running that night. He insisted that it had to be a cracked head and=20 that he had not done anything wrong. He got real nasty with me about it.=20 I told him to go on home but to take his tools with him. He asked me why=20 I was firing him and I told him that it was because of his attitude and=20 the fact that he wasn't willing to learn. I stayed until about 2 am to get it running. I had it ready for the=20 customer before 10 am the next morning. I have never had to fill my=20 vehicles up with water to check them out. In the next two weeks I fired=20 two more guys for about the same reason. Bad attitudes. Mistakes I can=20 live with. Not wanting to learn, not so much! Thanks, rich! On 11/18/2014 9:56 PM, Robert Dvoracek wrote: > That's why I said to be careful that it doesn't get sucked in. It would = be wise to use something else like a piece of wood or better yet metal that= is too wide to get sucked in, but I don't know what kind of fabrication to= ols this guy has at his disposal. > Cheers,Robert > >> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:38:30 -0600 >> From: mechanic_2@charter.net >> To: piclist@mit.edu >> Subject: Re: [EE] Best DIY Puffer HoneyTrap >> >> Robert, >> That is a very bad idea. As soon as the engine fires the rag will >> be pulled into the intake and probably inside one or more cylinders. A >> replacement engine for an US older iron block and iron head engine will >> run about $2000. The modern high output engines can be as much $100,000 >> just for the engine. I was a master tech for 35 years and trust me the >> force that the atmosphere can apply to the rag is more than enough to >> shove it right on past the throttle valve and into the intake. >> Thanks, >> rich! >> --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .