> obsolescent rather than obsolete - not recommended > for new designs. When I read something like that it flashes across my mind "Oooh, it's no good any more" but of course the chip works as well as it ever did !!!! The F87 is already a pretty good jellybean micro. What "desirable new features" are you looking for ? Personally, I have a stock of 18F1320. It's getting on a bit now but regardless, the 18F architecture (RAM organisation, more instructions etc) is a lot easier to work with and TBH I do tend not to design with 16F Joe ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4213/8571 - Release Date: 11/14/14 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .