Now you can buy helmet with electronic filter that allows you to see throug= h when no arc is present, and become high level filter when the arc starts.= I have seen those in various stores for a reasonable price (US $54). http://www.harborfreight.com/blue-flame-design-auto-darkening-welding-helme= t-91214.html Jean-Paul AC9GH On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On November 6, 2014 at 1:10:33 PM, KPL (kpl.listes@gmail.com) wrote: > Almost every amateur welder often gets to see the welding arc at the=20 > striking moment, if welding with a stick. It's almost inevitable, as=20 > the glass is very dark, and one has to see where the electrode is=20 > pointing to start the weld, so has to lift the mask.=20 > I have done that many times about 15 or 10 years ago, it's really=20 > awful feeling for the first night after that, but then goes away.=20 > Luckily no bad long-term effects so far, and my vision actually gets=20 > checked every year.=20 > It's much less risky when using MIG welder. I have no idea about TIG.=20 > I=92ve recently started welding and am teaching myself (haha!)=85I guess = the helmet I bought comes with the =93recommended=94 level of tint, and I w= as surprised (even a little shocked) to notice that it=92s virtually imposs= ible to see *anything* without the arc in progress. And it=92s pretty well = lit in my office/workshop. >=20 > You can imagine me in my naivet=E9 trying to position the stick as close = to the weld as possible=85.closing the mask=85trying to strike=85.it not ha= ppening=85opening the mask=85.repeating ;) >=20 > -m=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Marc Nicholas > Sent with Airmail > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .