bcc Jeffrey B - you know who you are :-) - & thanks POSTSCRIPT: Well, that was an interesting black hole. I'm surprised I've come this far and never realised this. Not being a person of published papers, the awareness has passed me by - there is a very large world of questionable 'professional' and/or 'scientific' journals 'out there' which are paper mills to match the 'degree mills' that I've heard of. Literally hundred of journals 400+ on this list http://scholarlyoa.com/individual-journals/ publising mostly real looking papers by serious enough and no doubt often somewhat sad people at $50 - $500 range per time so that one cn add for whatever reson to one's published papers. PhD, tenure, prestige or whatever may be at stake. and their are even fake "impact analysis" organisations that rate the fake journals s that they then count for whatever it is that matters. Wow. This is a watchinging site http://scholarlyoa.com/ aimed at trying to keep track of such sites. Here's the gatekeeper: http://scholarlyoa.com/about/ Russell ____________________________________ I had written: 1. Windbelt 2. Review: http://ijeit.com/vol%202/Issue%209/IJEIT1412201303_48.pdf 3. "Journal" Starting in about 2007 The windbelt was a good idea to try and MAY still have its place but proved to fail badly as a means of cost effectively or sensibly extracting a significant %age of available energy from most airstreams. Life happens, too bad, sad, move on ... . Then this paper dated 2013 is written by people whose credential claim to be reasonable. Some of the formula are standard and somewhat relevant and correct enough and my eyes quickly glazed over (or my brain as the case may be - I do not need to wade through such stuff until the pape ror result proves good and useful and ...) and I skimmed through to whatever conclusion they might draw. It's rubbish! The methodology (to give it a name) is akin to what you see on You tube build a DIY wind turbine - it spins fast and make 3.792 V type posts. Strange. What is this 'Journal'? Looks. Web only. Peer reviewed. PEER reviewed? peer re viewed ???? For what re what on what bass ??? Looks at editorial board. List as long as both arms plus. Prof Dr Prof Dr ...... Dr ... . (33 Profs, 5x Drs, 5 Deans, ...) Mostly Indian / Asian at a glance. That can be fine enough. Any country that can send satellites to orbit on 1% safety margins knows how to produce people who can think and can do. Submission policy ... Ok $US 100 up to 10 pages if not Indian. About $US60 equivalent if Indian. Looks at archive. 3x papers this issue Titles look just like the inscrutable rubbish you'd expect from any 'real enough' journal. Finally looks at end of their submission notes. "Once a Paper is Accepted, Authors are assumed to cede Copyrights of the paper Over to IJEIT" Right, then. _________________________ These people might be real people. It MIGHT even be a real journal. But if so, they seem to have got the idea of peer review from the realms of modern clim... er, no. They seem to be dreaming. No? Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .