Russell, Ah yes. The oh great wise ones on the hill dictating things about=20 things that they have no knowledge of! Sounds like business as usual to=20 me! Just my thoughts! Now if they would just go learn a little physics=20 they might realize that you can't get 100 watts out when you only put in=20 80 watts. Thanks, rich! On 9/12/2014 3:51 AM, RussellMc wrote: > This hard, appaarently > > http://www.lightingprize.org/PAR38.stm > > Image - target versus market results so far > > http://www.lightingprize.org/images/LPrizeNov2013PAR38graph.jpg > > Specification > > > http://www.lightingprize.org/pdfs/PAR38_CompRequirements_July13= ..pdf > > > R --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .