On 12 September 2014 21:34, James Cameron wrote: > *I wonder why an Efficacy of 123 lm/W was chosen? It seems to have* * been a goal far in advance of the state of the industry.* Note that the 60 W prize was won in 2011 by Philips with a $10 million payout. For the PAR38 competition they note that * " DOE cannot lower the efficacy target because it was set by Congress."* I know that does not answer your 'why' but it explains it remaining in the face of reality. I think it's a reasonable goal. People are pushing to attain it and will do so. I could build something that met the l/W and output spec NOW if I did not have to also provide 1000 commercial quality samples, stump up <=3D $20,000 for testing, meet a power factor of >=3D 0.7, a CRI or about 90+, an extremely tightly consistent CCT across all products, a lumen maintenance spec higher than Philips meet on some markt products now, and a bit more. I could even meet all the technical specs for a sample of 1 (or 10) if cost was not an issue. Or fitting it in a PAR38 profile :-). ie this is a much harder spec than it may appear at first glance Even then, the US energy use from PAR38 (90W) bulbs is only 1/3 of that from 60W bulbs. Top flux bin off the shelf LEDS from Cree attain about 200 l/W under some operating conditions. Lab reports are of around 300 l/W. Good optics tends to take ~=3D 10% off the light Losses of well under 1% are possible but costs probably too high (front surface reflectors (std enough) with special coatings, ...) Say use 200 l/W LEDs 10% for optical losses =3D 180 l/W. Mains to LED conversion of say 80% gives 144 l/W (Better possible) Low CCT tends to result in lower l/W (colour away from eye optimum response is one factor.) High CRI typically needs multiple phosphors (Philips use LED-external multiple phosphors). Some loss there I imagine due to practicalities of either dotting/striping or blocking losses if you mix them. Say 10% (a wild guess) so about 130 l/W Which looks to be about the L prize target. ie / so - when the 300 l/W lab spawned 220-240-260 l/w products creep into the top COTS bins and the acceptable price middle flux LEDs (main production volume) creep over about 200 l/W at near full power then the targets are liable to be meetable. I'd say 1 year with great skill, luck, and magic. 2 to 3 years with skill, luck, and magic. Russell ___________ L Prize overview. http://www.lightingprize.org/overview.stm Really good/useful/interesting (choose 0 or more) CALIPER reports on current PAR38 LED market products http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/ssl/application-par38.html Energy saving and environmental impact comment (nothing on byproducts) http://www.lightingprize.org/about_ssl.stm Thanks. > > > > > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .