On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco < isaacbavaresco@yahoo.com.br> wrote: > On 08/09/2014 06:46, Mike Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:43:46 +0530, you wrote: > > > >>> t may not be doable/practical, but I just thought I'd throw this out > >>> there. Before Altium went to 'Altium', there was PCAD. Quite a few > people > >>> didn't switch, and still use PCAD. Altium seems to pretend it never > >>> existed. I don't know how or if you could get a legal license, but i= t > is > >>> perfectly usable. We've done boards over 20 layers with it, 28 in > >>> diameter, blind /buried, ... > >>> > >> Is/was that the same as Protel. > >> Clunky, steam driven, works. > >> > > No - P-CAD started life as Accel, and Altium (then Protel) bought it bu= t > kept the 2 packages running > > for a while before abandoning PCAD. It was designed from scratch to use > Windows conventions, so has > > no baggage inherited from old DOS packages, > > > P-CAD indeed inherits some of its user interface from old Tango Pro for > DOS. It even has a Tango Pro compatibility mode, where the keyboard > shortcuts try to mimic or approximate Tango Pro's behavior. It can > convert Tango's libraries and even comes with a lot o Tango's libraries > already converted. > > P-CAD has some quirks, but it is perfectly usable for large/complex > boards even today, eight years after its last update. > In Windows 7 some list selectors inside dialogs (most notably the layer > list in the layer management dialog) don't show their contents and make > it hard to use (although not impossible). In Windows XP it works perfectl= y. > > > Yes P-CAD as well Tango are known names. Tango for DOS had a very good autorouter (compared for example with Orcad which gives a mess) and very simple rules for routing. However, with respect I want to remember you all, that a good PCB engineer will probably never use 20 layers for the most complex design ever made... Keeping thing simple is the key for everything. best, Vasile --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .