I'd try Kicad. Active online community and IRC (internet relay chat) channel. First I'd find someone who used it with ten layers though, to see if there were any scaling issues. I've not gone that far. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .