Yes there are eight keys in an octave but inly seven intervals between keys. Since an "octave" is an interval made up of those seven smaller intervals it would logically be called ot a septade or heptade. To call it an octave is as logical as saying that a fence with eight posts a metre apart is eight metres long. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .