> there are subtleties to flow rate I shouldn't have been so vague. Apparently you want a stream of water that= breaks into drops right about the center of the collars that the water fal= ls through. I think you need a conductive path back to the common tank. It's an "induction" or "influence" machine (as opposed to friction machines= like a van de Graaff); these come in a lot of different variations (there = are a bunch in the Moore book, and this variety includes the Whimshurst=85) I wanna make some variations out of those blank CDs you get with packs of C= DR disks=85 Or maybe PCBs. (When you contemplate such devices, the per-ar= ea price of PCBs gets annoying=85) BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .