> Alternatively you could use Designspark Mechanical, draw a 2D > surface Thanks. It's not urgent by any means so I'll have a look at whatever is mentioned. Mostly of course I just want to avoid starting with something that someone knows is a dog He did quickly show me how I might do it at https://www.tinkercad.com/ and http://www.thingiverse.com/ so I've signed into those. It's more 3D modelling rather than what I need to do but it won't hurt to have a play. As price and availability of 3D printers comes down it's certain I'll be using one again Joe ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7995 - Release Date: 08/06/14 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .