> [Is] the average frequency meter is sensitive enough to detect the change= through the noise. I would think not. He's looking at ~5e-3 out of 10e6 MHz, or 0.5 parts per= billion. "Average" frequency counters won't even display that many digits, nor will = your "average" frequency source be stable enough to observe it. You can find devices that operate on the same effects. "Tuning fork gyrosc= ope" and "Tuning fork accelerometer" are both real things. OTOH, Dave has been known to slip in the occasional joke episode=85 BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .