I am doing a lot of PCB trace antenna design lately, and I am seeing another occurence of something that I had seen before, where a given antenna design that should be workable, simply won't tune in a given design. Previously all I had to address this was renting some time on a VNA and hacking a physical prototype. Today I am working with XFdtd simulating the entire PCB, plus all the surrounding materials. That makes the tuning process one of time on a GPU instead of rental lab time and X-acto knives. It seems that there is some other structure on the PCB that is resonating in some way that interferes with the antenna. I've done some investigation with stitching vias and definitely things are a lot more stable with those in place, but it's not affecting the main problem that I am seeing. I am wondering if others have hit this, and if so what they did to isolate and get rid of the problem? --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .