John, Yep, I can see how they would be very helpful. I would like to=20 recommend that things like this be kept in the trunk. Today in most=20 states long wrenches, breaker bars, baseball bats, and other such items=20 are considered dangerous weapons and that makes this carrying a=20 concealed weapon which is a felony. Just a thought. Thanks, rich! On 7/24/2014 11:00 AM, John Gardner wrote: > ...I kept two tools under the seat of my van: a pipe wrench > and a four foot long breaker bar (galvanised pipe). Never > failed... > > +1 :) --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .