> I think I will go with the 684 It could be worth going to the 18F, unless you already have the 684. I have a few 16F in the parts drawer but seldom use them for new projects. The 18F1220, 1320 or similar are OK starters http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39605F.pdf They are a little more expensive but save you more than a dollar's worth of programming time and effort Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .