I was recently informed of a a law stating something to the effect of if a light hasn't changed in two minutes you can assume it's failed and treat it as a four way stop. The person telling me had anecdotes to back it up, though I suspect it's likely to vary by location and which officer you get stopped by... -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .