Those are wires. Inductive pickups. Try them on a bicycle for fun some day. They're becoming less common now - at least around here they seem to be switching to camera based vehicle detection systems. -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .