> Then, look to the patents. It's more than can see on Youtube. I did, and immediately noted "in other words to produce more amount of energy than the received energy" In other words, over unity The second law of thermodynamics, often quoted as the first hurdle at which a claimant falls, states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems always evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium, a state with maximum entropy He also cites Bedini, who is a very divisive figure. Some hail him as the second Tesla, others hail him in quite a different way. His defenders can be counted on to insist on the technology suppression conspiracy theories, and yet there are many alternative energy solutions being researched, and implemented, without any controversy at all I am sure that most, if not all, over unity claims by those not actively scamming, can be explained by misunderstood or unrealised energy sources. From what I have read of Kapandze's demonstrations, he refuses scrutiny, which raises suspicions. He's under no obligation to of course, but he has a patent ...... What marketing progress has Kapandze made in the years since he patented this ? Bruce de Palma's N-machine idea has been around for 40 years. 20 years ago I had a good friend, a very competent engineer, spend a lot of his time carefully trying to repeat de Palma's results. Never did. >From http://brucedepalma.com/ "Clearly at odds with established physical laws, his work has been ignored by the traditional scientific community. A blanket statement saying EVERY electrical engineer and free- thinking researcher in the whole wide world believes de Palma is wrong. Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .