It does seem to have a distinctive odor about it. The distribution of investors is also a bit interesting. On 5/29/2014 11:38 AM, RussellMc wrote: > This portable personal Wind Turbine is a good idea - but would need to ve= ry > handsomely break the laws of Physics to achieve its claims. > Probably makes in the range 5% - 15% of claimed output. > Longevity suspect. > Funded to $72k of 50k target so far :-(. > What are Kickstarter thinking??? > > > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skajaquoda/trinity-the-portable-wind= -turbine-power-station > > And their videois terrible > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVaDqM0R97Uw > > > Their graph (towards bottom of kickstarter page) shows power out of 13.5W > at 16 mph > 16 mph =3D~ 7 m/s > > Derivable rule of thumb: > > At 100% efficiency a WT makes 600 W/m^2 at 10 m/s wind speed > > Swept area here =3D 0.3m x 0.1m =3D 0.03m^2 > So 100% efficiency for 0.03 m^2 gives 18W at 10 m/s > Power changes as V^3 so power at 7 m/s compared to 10 m/s =3D (7/10)^3 ~= =3D 34% > So output at 100% efficiency at 7 m/s =3D 0.34 * 18 ~+ 6.2 Watt. > > Betz limit =3D- theoretical max for unducted WT =3D~ 59% so theoretical m= ax =3D~ > 3.6W. > > Best WT get 40%+ > Very good mainly drag with some lift get ~=3D30% > Drag only 20% more likely. > > Their "airfoil design is very suspect. > 20% would be lucky BUT assume 30%. > > 6.2 x 30% =3D~~ 2 Watt. > Not the 13+W claimed. > > As they claim that this is a tested and finished design they are being mo= re > than (or less than ) economical with the truth. > > In a 15 m/s "breeze" ~=3D 33 mph =3D "quite fast" it may make design watt= age > claimed at half that speed. > 15 m/s is not usually experienced. > Diameter is about 0.1m so circ =3D~ Pi/10 > > At 15 m/s at TSR (tip to wind speed) =3D 1 > RPS =3D 15/(Pi/10) ~=3D 47 RPS > RPM =3D 60 x RPS =3D~ 3000 RPM. > Operating TSR with any sort of efficiency (and the airfoils would need li= ft > - which they appear not to have) is liable to be >=3D 2:1 > =3D 6000 RPM or 50 RPS > Looking at the construction, I'd want to be standing 100m or so away of > that at 6000 RPM - a thrown airfoil dart could go 'quite a way'. > > Verdict: Not a chance. > > > > Russell --=20 John Ferrell W8CCW "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." =96 Henry David Thoreau --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .